If anyone has ever had a conversation with me, even during my teenage years, they know I’m incredibly long-winded, and they struggle to get direct answers to their straightforward questions. And if you haven’t talked to me yet, just ask me a simple yes or no question. I’ll start talking about some tangential topic and get to the yes or no part after what you might experience as a confusing 5 minutes. I’m working on this though.
I’ve just begun to realize that this tendency to speak in loops vs. lines is less of a communication style, but more reflective of the way that I think—in and about systems. Systems thinking is a holistic approach that looks at how everything is interrelated, and how those pieces move and influence each other. Imagine standing, hovering over a complex domino set up with thousands of patterns and loops, making slight arrangements with different pieces while trying to understand how each movement of each piece affects the ultimate domino effect.
How systems thinking has influenced Forested Foods
I was first exposed to the concept of systems thinking while working with the NGO, TechnoServe, in their Ethiopia office. In the context of international development, systems thinking is commonly referred to as Making Markets Work for the Poor (M4P) or Market Systems Facilitation (MSF). (Side note: Is there any industry that doesn’t require you to learn an alphabet soup of acronyms?)
On one of my projects with TechnoServe, I conducted a research study using systems thinking to understand how we might improve the livelihoods of smallholder farmers in Majang Forest while conserving the critically biodiverse forest ecosystem. We evaluated different conservation-based agroforestry (basically integrating agriculture + forestry) supply chains for coffee, honey, and spices, looking at all the different steps of the supply chain that ultimately impacted smallholder farmers’ ability to sustainably earn more from these products. This could be as simple as whether there is even a road to connect a farmer to market, whether a cold storage warehousing partner exists in the region, or if there is an incredibly high (or low) tax on particular goods and services. Or it could be as complex as how a piece of government policy may incentivize or disincentivize certain actions.
The idea behind Forested Foods—to build the Cargill of deforestation-free, regenerative agriculture products—was informed by a lot of what I learned building more environmentally-friendly and smallholder farmer-inclusive supply chains at TechnoServe. Our first office was actually set up in Majang Forest five years after that project.
This might all sound very abstract. It’s been difficult finding the right way to message this. It’s probably why we have both Maryiza and Forested Foods brands (I swear it isn’t just to confuse people!). The team here keeps telling me we need to find a way to simplify the message. People aren’t going to understand all these nuances. I agree. If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know!
Maybe I can give a few examples to make this more concrete.
Here’s one: A lot of companies are starting to talk about direct sourcing from smallholder farmers. It’s a nice linear story to tell: “Smallholder farmers are getting exploited by a global commodity system. We will directly source from these farmers to bring you better food and better equity for farmers.” It’s easy to understand and who doesn’t want to support smallholder farmers?
It’s also a bit incomplete. A good analogy is the current diversity and inclusion movement in Corporate America. Companies are being asked to increase minority leadership at the board level and C-suite. Their method is very much linear, where they set staffing targets and measure how many minorities are being interviewed and hired. Some minorities are making it through, which we celebrate, but we all feel a little empty afterward when companies bemoan the lack of talent and the difficulty hiring. Direct sourcing feels a little like that. It’s celebrating the outliers in the current system, rather than redesigning a more equitable system for all. We’re only trying to solve the problem at the end, not trying to address the root cause. Maybe those minorities that make it happened to have a lot of privilege that is no different from the current leadership. Maybe those farmers that sell beautifully grown, regenerative food happened to be fortunate to have the support of NGOs like TechnoServe to invest a lot of time and money to build up their capacity and operations. Or maybe they’re just lucky they live near a road that leads to a major market. For the record, I still love direct sourcing and believe it is greatly needed. But it is a starting point and just one piece of a greater system that needs redesigning.
Here’s another one: Some companies have tried to address some of this by offering price guarantees. They’re saying: “We’ll go beyond just direct sourcing. We’ll provide an incentive for smallholder farmers to shift toward more sustainable growing practices by offering them a price premium for fill-in-the-blank (deforestation-free, regeneratively grown, etc.) products.” Again, easy to understand in a very linear way, where a higher price should help offset higher costs.
But what does this price guarantee actually do? What if a farmer doesn’t know how to grow more sustainably? What if the farmer doesn’t have any money to invest for better inputs or equipment? (Another side note: we’ve talked to several corporate buyers about selling to them, and for most, our internal estimate is that we’re at least 3 years away from being even close to meeting their certification standards and requirements). Let’s say a farmer is somehow able to get going and is looking to cash in on that price guarantee. What happens if that year’s harvest doesn’t go well? Does the company make the farmer whole? Or does it just move on to the next farmer? If the company moves on and the farmer still needs to make some income, does the farmer continue to try to meet that company’s needs, hoping it will work out in the future, or does the farmer try something else? Maybe that means clearing some trees to plant coffee, which the farmer knows can at least be sold to the local aggregator. Does the system change at all? Or is the farmer still being asked to absorb all the risk?
What problems are we trying to solve?
While not every problem requires the multi-layer analysis required in systems thinking, our problem—smallholder livelihoods, deforestation, and biodiversity loss—clearly does. Forested Foods is our solution to the overarching question of: How might we make global food systems work more in favor of people and the planet?
The challenge we accept in building a venture like Forested Foods, where we are working to change systems, is that the questions don’t end. We can be so fixated on unearthing the nuances of systems, people and their behavior, and the natural world, that we often fall victim to analysis paralysis. It’s been a balancing act of continuing to ask the hard and nitty gritty questions while just executing activities knowing that this is very iterative for now. As long as we’ve got our purpose crystal clear, we’ll iterate until we can fundamentally change the way the global food system works for both people and the planet. Here are some of the questions (in no sequential order or interdependence) that are bubbling in our minds:
How do we make forests more valuable standing intact vs. destroyed?
How might we create long-term incentives for forest communities to conserve their forests?
What would happen if forest communities, businesses, and governments unlocked and/or earned more from keeping forests intact?
How do we drive forest communities’ behavior change to conserve forests?
How do we drive the market’s (end consumers, CPG companies, and buyers, generally) behavior change to accurately value regenerative supply chains and their products?
What data should we be collecting to show that Forested Foods’ business is driving incentives for forest communities to conserve their forests?
We’ve got lots of hypotheses that will continue to be tested as we build out Forested Foods. Do we have any answers? Give me 5 minutes …